the one people know about is the fellow who was planning to bomb los angeles international airport. but there were people picked up in indonesia, pakistan, who are going to attack american interests there. so that was very, very successful. it was successful because the government has the ability and the capacity to go on high alert. what the bush administration did was say, this is very concerning, let's have a meeting. let's put out notices to our embassies into our military to be particularly careful. but it is not the same thing. >> what about some of the same? the significance of the problem of the bank osama bin laden for the neocons in the white house, because they wanted to get saddam hussein. >> you have to understand the shift that took place in that time. the republicans have been out of the white house since 1992. when they left, the nation state was the enemy. iraq, iran, north korea, whoever you wanted to pick. saddam hussein was the center of the war. they leave. from 1992-2000, the detached threat, the nomination state threat develops. al qaeda it develops. we had no